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January 16, 2004
Let's Rally for Nothing! A Hard look at Political Inactivism in Comparison to the True Remedy for the Ummah

by Oh. Schick aka Ali Bin Masood Bin Asghar Farooki

Since this is a site where we are trying to promote thought and participation, I think it might help our particular aim if I spit some fire (what do you know, that's the name of this section). People love to defend their actions to other people, but they usually care less if they are accepted in the sight of Allah (AWJ). That's the general pattern observed when people take part in these useless rallies and activities that really do nothing, but waste our time. When you tell them, "this is useless", they usually bite back bitterly with ?Muslims have to make a presence!? and ?this is for the image of Muslims!? and ?we have to stand up for our brothers and sisters!?. Besides all the fitnah that is at these rallies, we should consider real hard whether begging these Jews and Christians to ?FREE FREE PALESTINE!? is going to work. I mean really, are they going to free it for you because you yelled at them while they laugh at you and spew curses at you. On a large scale, that is what they want from us: Political Inactivism. They deprive us of our dignity to such an extent that we start begging for things they will never give us and we try so hard to get through the endless bureaucracy that we call American DEMOCRACY. We are like nearly blind mice that run on wheels that they have set up for us. We fail to see the big picture and think that running harder will get us somewhere. All the while, they watch us from outside our cage and laugh at us for being so short sighted and blind to the reality of things.

The way many Muslims are acting now is as if the Messenger of God (SAWS) left us with no guidance. They elevate their minds, feelings, fleeting desires, and whims over the guidance that Rasulallah left us with. ?Verily the best of guidance is the guidance of Muhammad (SAWS) and the worst of matters are the newly invented matters, for every newly invented matter is an innovation, and every innovation is misguidance, and every misguidance is in the hell-fire?. These are the words that we hear in our khutbahs and the speeches we ?listen? to. Why is it, then, that we fail to remember this at times when our emotions get high and we feel all charged up? The best of guidance during times of ease is still the best of guidance in times of hardship. The source is still the same: the Quran, the Sunnah and the way of the Rightly Guided Predecessors. Do people think that the Messenger of God (SAWS) would tell us how to go to the bathroom, how to eat and drink, how to sleep, how to have relations with our spouses, but he wouldn?t tell us how to deal with situations like the one we are facing? The Messenger of Allah (SAWS) did indeed warn us about times like these just like he warned us against the greatest fitnah, al-masih ad-dajjal. So why is it that people think it is up to them to brainstorm and come up with the solutions to the Ummah?s problems? This is how the Ummah is acting and responding to the trials and afflictions that Allah is trying us with. Everything becomes open to ijtihad and to personal reasoning, so much so that everyone is left to come up with their own diagnosis of the problem and their own solution as to how to bring back the glory to the Ummah of Muhammad. But, it is not our minds and our intellects, filled with the various corruptions and deviations of today?s society that will lead us to the answer. So the question now is what will? Allah and his Messenger (SAWS) did warn us about times like these and told us what do to in times of calamity.

??Never will Allah change the condition of a people, until they change themselves. ?? [Sooratur-Ra?d 13:11]

"Whatever calamity and misfortune befalls you, it is because of what your own hands have earned" [Surah ash-Shooraa 42:30]

?Do people think that they will be left alone because they say: "We believe," and will not be tested? [Suratul- Ankaboot 29:2]

"Whatever evil befalls you, it is from your own self" [Surah an-Nisaa 4:79]

The Prophet (SAWS) warned us of times like these and said: ?The people will soon summon one another to attack you as people when eating invite others to share their dish. Someone asked: Will that be because of our small numbers at that time? He replied: No, you will be numerous at that time: but you will be scum and rubbish like that carried down by a torrent, and Allah will take fear of you from the breasts of your enemy and last enervation into your hearts. Someone asked: What is wahn (enervation). Apostle of Allah (SAWS): He replied: Love of the world and dislike of death. ? [Abu Dawood]
The Messenger of Allah (SAWS) also cautioned us that, ?When you deal in eenah (a type of transaction involving usury [Riba?]), and you hold onto the tails of cattle and you become satisfied with cultivation and you abandon jihad in the path of Allah, then Allah will cover you with his humiliation and He will not remove it from you until you return to your Religion. ? [Sahih: related by Abu Dawood (no. 3462) and al-Bayhaqee in Sunan al-Kubraa (3/316) from Abdullah Ibn Umar (RA)]

It is clear from the Speech of Allah and the words uttered on the tongue of our beloved Messenger (SAWS) that the Ummah will go through times like these where our brothers are getting killed, our sisters are getting raped, our children are being orphaned, and when Al-Aqsa Al-Mubaarak has been taken from us. But who is to blame according to Allah and his Messenger? It is not the Christians, not the Jews, not Israel, not America, not the Freemasons, or our leaders only. IT IS US or, better put, ME AND YOU. The Quran constantly confirms that Allah wrongs nobody, but it is the people who wrong themselves. The reason we are being oppressed is because we have become deficient in our Deen. Do people think that these Jews and Christians have any power over the will of Allah or that Israel and America have any power over the Earth? Of course NOT. It is Allah?s humiliation that is on us, not the humiliation of the Jews and Israel, or America, or the Freemasons, or the Hindus, or any group of people for that matter. If we don?t realize this, we will never come to understand the true solution to getting Palestine back and to reviving the Ummah to the glory that it once had.

If we don?t make the effort to change ourselves, meaning purifying our souls, and making our Deen sincerely for Allah?s sake alone, our condition will NOT CHANGE. Palestine will not be free until the Ummah changes its condition and rectifies itself. And what is it that we must fix? The Prophet (SAWS) told us the reason for our weakness (wahn); specifically, it is love of the world and hatred for death. Surprisingly the second hadith confirms this perfectly by pointing out that Allah?s humiliation will come on us after we engage in riba? (usury- the major sin that everybody loves to downplay just because we live in America), after we become satisfied with agriculture and easy living, and after we abandon jihad in the path of Allah. How else is the love of the world, as described in the first hadith, expressed except as love of wealth so much so that we engage in riba; moreover, how else is hatred of death expressed except through abandoning Jihad? I must make it clear and point out that it is not Jihad only in a fighting sense. We must understand that Jihad is of different types and it has phases and levels. But it is not only the Jihad on the battlefield that we should be calling to. Allah tells us that he will not remove the humiliation until we return back onto our religion, not until we turn back to Jihad. It is the Deen as a complete system of life that we must whole-heartedly return to. The Messenger of Allah didn?t say that we would get back the glory to the Ummah by blowing ourselves up, by taking part in terrorism, or by traveling the earth for forty days to call people to the masaajid, or to beg these Jews and Christians to do anything for us, or to take them as our brothers, or to simply remove our leaders and replace them with other ones. As for the issue of rebelling against the rulers, this is a separate topic by itself. Just to comment briefly, it is something that is against the principles of Ahl-As-Sunnah Wal -Jamma'ah and can be found in many of the works of Aqeedah, in the Ahadith. We must realize that we have over us those who we deserve, and that we deserve the conditions we are in. If we realize that Allah has told us that Riba? is worse than having intercourse with our own mothers multiple times in public, then we should understand the seriousness of our situation and see why it is that our brothers are being killed and why our sisters are being raped.

As for those individuals, may Allah guide them, who say that we have to maintain the image of Muslims at these rallies and that we have to make a presence, I ask them to realize that the characters who show up to these rallies in the name of Islam are not the types of personalities that we would like holding the flag of Islam. Nevertheless, these rallies have become something of a form of worship to some people. People don?t pray, fast, or go to the masjid, but they never miss a rally. Rallies have their own special ?duas and adhkhaar? that people utter together in a congregation (Free Free Palestine and what not) just like prayer. Also, they are usually led by some leader with a microphone (kind of like an Imam, right). Also, people must be wearing some type of ?religious apparel? such as a Palestinian Shmagh (headscarf). Sometimes people even go through certain motions just like prayer has specific body motions. People call each other to these rallies, but they rarely call each other to pray or go to the masjid. Believe it or not, we have fools who think going to rallies is more important than Salaat in Congregation. Also, we must realize that we must be worried about our ?image? to Allah alone and not to these Jews and Christians, who we think control the earth. We should be asking Allah to free Palestine, and not these people.

As for those will read this and consider me a fundamentalist, I say that it may be that I am fundamentally right and you are fundamentally wrong. Some will claim that ?you can?t just be a hermit in a masjid and not do anything?. Subhaanallah! The way these people talk, you would think that the Ummah has been good for so long now and Allah has not given us victory. They talk as though we have been meeting all of our obligations to Allah, as though we have been staying away from what he forbade us from, and as though we are doing all types of righteous actions in excess, like praying tahajjud every night. They talk as if there are no graves in the Muslim world to which thousands of Muslims flock to commit shirk. The truth of the matter is these people think that doing things in the Deen are easy and that yelling like a wild animal at these rallies is hard. If that is the case, then why do so many people go to rallies and so few people go to Fajr at the Masjid? To bray like an ass is much easier than to keep one?s dignity and to only cry to Allah in the middle of the night, realizing that He (Azza wa Jall) is the ONLY ONE who will free Palestine. No doubt, we will have to do our part, but we must understand that things are out of balance right now. We probably wouldn?t be in our situation if we were doing what we are supposed to be doing. As for the people who put their trust in Allah and only ask him for aid, it may be that the dua of a sincere slave of God is more powerful than the begging and yelling of millions of protesters. Their Qunoot in witr is probably more deadly than bullets, missiles, and bombs.

But, surely humans were created in haste and no one will heed the message and be patient except Allah?s pious chosen slaves, who are usually seen as strangers in the Ummah, just as Muslims are seen as strangers in the world. Allah?s Messenger (SAWS) mentioned in his saying, ?Islam started as something strange and will return as something strange as it began, so Toobaa (a tree in Paradise) is for the Strangers. ? [Related by Muslim (2/175-176) and Ibn Maajah (2/320) from Abu Hurayrah (RA).]In another narration, ? ... so Toobaa is for the Strangers. Those who correct and put right what the people have corrupted. ? [Sahih: Related by Abu ?Amrad-Daanee in as-Sunanul-Waaridah fil-Fitan (1/25) and al-Aajurree in al-Ghurabaa? (p. l5-16), from Ibn Mas?ood (RA)]. May Allah make us from amongst the blessed strangers.
Then, there are those who shop around for fataawa that suit their personal agendas. As long as so-and-so said that it is good to rally and protest and to make fools of ourselves, then we must obey and it must be ok. We must be careful not to become like the Jews and Christians who took their scholars as Gods after they made the halaal into the haraam and the haraam into the halaal. In a narration from Ibn Masood, he said "There will not come upon you a time, except that it is more evil than the one before it. I do not mean a leader better than another leader, nor a year better than another year. But your ?ulamaa and fuqahaa (scholars and jurists) will disappear, and you will not find anyone to succeed them. Then there will come a people who will give verdicts according to their opinions." [Ibn Hajr related it in Fathul-Baaree (13/24)]

The issue of reform is not open to ijtihad and to everyone?s own personal reasoning and feelings. Our success lies in following the Deen as the Prophet brought it and as the Companions understood it. Imam Maalik (d.179H) said, ?Whosoever introduces into Islam an innovation, and holds it to be something good, has indeed alleged that Muhammad (SAWS) has betrayed his message. Read the saying of Allah ? the Most Blessed, the Most High:

?This day I have perfected your Religion for you, completed My favor upon you and I have chosen for you Islam as your Religion.? [Sooratul-Maa?idah 5:3]

So that which was not part of the Religion at that time, cannot be part of the Religion today. And the last part of this Ummah cannot be rectified, except by that which rectified its first part. ? [Related by al-Qaadee ?Iyaad in ash-Shifaa? (2/676)]

As for having hope, we must remember that no one loses hope in Allah except the losers and surely the victory of Allah is always near. The glory will certainly return to the Ummah, the only question is will we be part of that Ummah?
The Messenger of Allah (SAWS) said, ?The Jews split up into seventy one sects, and the Christians split up into seventy two sects. And my Ummah shall split up into seventy three sects, all of them being in the Fire except one.? We said, ?Which one is that, O Messenger of Allah?? He said, ?The one that follows what I am upon and my Companions. ? [Related by at-Tirmidhee (no. 2641), al-Haakim (1/129)]

The Prophet (SAWS) said, ?And whomsoever from amongst you lives, then he shall see much differing. So adhere strictly to my Sunnah and the Sunnah of the Rightly Guided Caliphs after me. Hold onto it with your molar teeth and beware of newly invented affairs, since every newly invented affair is an innovation, and every innovation is misguidance, and every misguidance is in the Fire? [Sahih: Related by Abu Daawood (no. 4607) and at-Tirmidhee (no. 2676)]

Also he said, ?I am leaving amongst you two things, you will never go astray as long as you cling to them: the Book of Allah and my Sunnah. They will not separate from each other, until you meet me at the Lake.? Sahih: Related by al-Haakim from Abu Hurayrah (RA)
Ibn Mas?ood (RA) said, [Sahih: Related by Ahmad (1/435) and also al-Haakim (2/318)] Allah?s Messenger (SAWS) drew a line for us and then said, ?This is Allah?s Path.? Then he drew lines to its right and its left, and said, ?These are differing paths, upon each of them there is a Shaytaan (devil) calling to it.? Then he recited, ?And verily this is My Path, so follow it, and do not follow other paths for they will separate you away from His Path. ? [Sooratul-An?aam [6:153]

Again I would like to end with the statement of Imam Malik that ?the last part of this Ummah cannot be rectified, except by that which rectified its earliest part?, and know certainly that the first part of the Ummah was rectified by holding to the Quran and the Sunnah on the understanding of the Companions and the Tabi?een. There rectification was not in protesting and not in ?political inactivism? in the way we think of it now. I pray that Allah grants us all Hidaya and the Taufiq to rectify ourselves. May Allah grant us all two rak'aat in Masjid Al-Aqsa as we pray in Masjid al-Haraam and Masjid an-Nabawee. I pray that Allah ennobles us with Islam, and ennobles Islam by us.

Oh. Schick = Ali Bin Masood Bin Asghar Farooki
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Masha'Allah.. the fire has truly been ignited.

"As for those will read this and consider me a fundamentalist, I say that it may be that I am fundamentally right and you are fundamentally wrong"

classic... simply classic.

Posted by: Talal at November 5, 2003 12:49 AM

excellent...may you keep relighting the fire because it is sure to dwindle as it has been for the past countless number of years...

we need more of these kinds of articles where we are shown what is truly wrong with the Ummah...and then when u don't go to these rallies, ppl look at you like you don't care for the Muslims...I hope this explains my point...

Posted by: Arif at November 5, 2003 10:24 AM

hehehe@Br.Talal's comments.

Posted by: Nadia at November 5, 2003 06:06 PM

Subha'Allah, you read this, sit back and say 'wow'. Put very well esp. with the ahadith & ayaat. Truly becoming to what I expected on Hidaya:) let's keep it coming...Masalaama

Posted by: Sana K at November 5, 2003 07:48 PM

Masha'Allah - an excellent article that speaks loudly with justification from the Qur'an and Sunnah. You couldn't have said it any better. The Ummah needs to change itself - only then will Allah (SWT) help us.

I took a liking to the quote Br. Talal picked out as well :)

Posted by: Shazia A. at November 6, 2003 08:37 AM

Very well written, indeed. Wow, would say it all.

Having said that, isn't criticizing another group of fellow muslims, publicly, for doing something that can't be categorized as unislamic, contrary to the article? No offense, really. But maybe we ought to not criticize those of _US_ so publicly, for they are, after all, our own. If we feel so passionately about differences as such, is it a wonder our leaders and ulemas can't decide when the new moon comes out for Eid? Critizing another muslim openly is unislamic, really, however we could, unoffensively, point out the flaws in the practice. Really, we have to start practicing what we preach, that's part of the article, aint it? Think about it please.


Posted by: silent no more at November 6, 2003 09:06 AM


I think Hedaya is a brilliant concept, kudos to the members of Isru that have made this happen. The article in particular was well written, but I agree with "silent no more", that we shouldn't criticize our brothers and sisters that in there hearts feel as though they are trying to do something for their fellow muslims, just like they shouldn't criticize muslims that don't approve of the unislamic behavior being portrayed at some of those events.

Posted by: Wajahat Gilani at November 6, 2003 02:30 PM

There may be misbehavior at these rallies, but do you think those that rally are such pedestrians as to assume that because they are yelling in the faces of random Jews on George St, that their plea wil be heard and the world will be fixed anew? You give them too little credit. The simply purpose of a rally is to show people that someone cares about this issue. Not only that, but to show people who are ignorant that there IS another side.

Posted by: Ayan at November 6, 2003 02:48 PM

your points are well taken, that we shouldn't criticize other muslims publicly but the author isn't singling out any one muslim and making his or her faults public...it's for the general ummah, what seems the majority of it...

while u are right that they show another side to the ignorant of the masses, let's not depend on rallies and protests as the be-all and end-all answer to the problem...while there maybe muslims who pray AND rally, how many truly pray to Allah to help the muslims or are just content in 'rallying'?

Posted by: talib ul'ilm at November 6, 2003 02:57 PM

Assalamu Alaikum

Brother Schick, since you are so passionate in your condemnation of rallies and such, surely you must have other ways to deal with such injustices around the world. Please, enlighten us. Or do you live only to practice your own islam and not give a damn about others that are dying.

Posted by: muslim at November 6, 2003 03:47 PM

I'm glad that many people found my article beneficial. Just a few comments:

to silent no more: "Critizing another muslim openly is unislamic" only in the case of singling out people, which I obviously have not done. I have only spoken about practices and beliefs held by certain groups of people. Anyone who tells you criticizing another muslim is unislamic is a wolf in sheeps clothing.
Refer to the hadith, "The deen is nasiha"
Refer to the hadith, "Whoever sees something wrong..."
Refer to the various ayat in the Quran that command us to enjoin the good and FORBID THE EVIL. The reasons why nations before us were destroyed is because they refused to do this for the sake of pleasing people. Refer to the Hadith about the people being destroyed for not commanding the good and forbidding the evil.
Refer to the statement of Ibn Hazm which has the general gist of "whoever criticsizes you cares about your friendship and whoever doesn't criticsize isn't your friend".
I apologize for not having the exact hadith and ayat right now (i'm not at home to look them up or to ask someone)- if you like i can find them :)

To wajahat, same thing. They are welcome to criticsize and have their proof. To remain silent when we see things as being wrong is not acceptable.

To ayan, who said "but do you think those that rally are such pedestrians as to assume that because they are yelling in the faces of random Jews on George St, that their plea wil be heard and the world will be fixed anew? You give them too little credit. The simply purpose of a rally is to show people that someone cares about this issue. Not only that, but to show people who are ignorant that there IS another side."
Yes. That is what it seems like. The point of my article was to point out that they are trying to SHOW PEOPLE that they care when they should be trying to SHOW ALLAH (AZZA WA JALL) that they care. If they know that that is not the solution, why don't they do things that ARE part of the solution.

To talib ul'ilm :
I agree with you and that was the point I was trying to get across. We should put our trust in Allah and do what he has commanded and stay away from what he forbade, and work all types of righteous good deeds. If we were doing what we were supposed to, probably we wouldn't be in this situation. If people want to rally to educate others, fine. But, to neglect their deen, which undoubtedly many of the Muslims around the world are doing, is something that is unacceptable. We should call people to Allah and His Messenger first, then call to the rally.

Posted by: Oh. Schick at November 6, 2003 03:58 PM

to muslim,

Dear brother or sister, please read my article again with an open mind and heart with no feelings of anger. You will see the solution that i present (actually not what i am presenting, but what has been presented in Allah's book and on the Tongue of His Messenger) is clear. To accuse me of not giving a damn about our brothers and sisters is quite unreasonable and frankly I could ask you the same question. If you love your brothers and sisters who are being killed and raped, why don't you come to fajr and ask for Allah to bestow HIS mercy on them and for Allah to give HIS victory to them, and for Allah to send his humilition and disgrace on our enemies.
As for a plan, try this:
1. Strive to return to the Deen in its totality, not selectively picking things that you like.
2. Hold fast to the Quran and recite it often (Imam Abu Hanifa said anyone who doesn't finish the Quran in one month, has left the Quran -- not talking about ramadan.)
3. Remove any feelings (good or bad) towards people except for the sake of Allah.
4. Strive to come to the masjid for every prayer (even fajr)
5. Observe optional fasts on Monday and Thursday
6. The list is endless.

As for the comment, "Or do you live only to practice your own islam and not give a damn about others that are dying" --- Firstly, yes I care about my own Islam, then that of my family, then of my relatives and friends, ever moving outward.
You won't be asked for anyone else's deeds except your own.
Refer to the Ayah in Surah Az-Zumar (i think) which says "Oh you who believe, save YOURSELVES (Anfusakum) and your family or household (AHLEEKUM)from the fire" The order is clear, YOU SHOULD BE WORRIED ABOUT YOUR OWN SALAVATION FIRST. The horrors of that day are worse than anything you will ever see in your life.

Posted by: Oh. Schick at November 6, 2003 04:12 PM

Nice explanation Oh Schick (i love that :))...i just wanted to correct you on one of your references, the ayah to save ourselves and our families from the fire is in Surah at-Tahreem not az-Zumar.

Muslim, u can't say that he doesn't give a damn about others because dua is one of the biggest helps we can have for our brothers and sisters. Unless of course, and I don't know if any of us would do this, we go ourselves and fight there. But then again, it's not a religious conflict, it's a land conflict.

Masha'allah though for opening our eyes and Insha'Allah our hearts to fix ourselves and not rely on superficial things for 'the Palestinian cause'.

Posted by: talib ul'ilm at November 7, 2003 09:43 AM

ok 1. you people need to stop hiding behind anonymous nicknames. Who are you to assume that people who rally "probably" don't pray?

Posted by: Ayan at November 7, 2003 10:25 AM

Guys, or gals,

What I had started off as constructive criticism (I think) has snowballed into a full fledged argument. In hopes that this doesn't spoil my fast, here goes ...

First and foremost, I'm not a rally goer either. BUT, I'm not criticizing, and don't want anyone else to criticize, those who do go.

Is it enough to go to the rallies? No. But we have no way of knowing, for the most part, if the rally goers do or don't pray. AND even if they don't, I believe it's our job to remind them, and not criticize what they _are_ doing instead.

As for criticing a group, I recently found out that criticizing a group of people, say Palestinians for instance, is also unislamic. However, my concern was more towards being rude to those who go. There are many ISRU members who participate in this. Maybe it's right, maybe it's not. The Ayas and the Ahadith Oh Schick presented don't specifically say gathering to protest against something is unislamic. The Ayas and Ahadith all center on the fact that we all need to rectify the situation by fixing ourselves, and maybe our families, first. On the flip side, he/she is right, begging these people won't ever get us what we want. But I bet the rally goers don't perceive it as 'begging'.

I don't disagree with Oh. Schick that our own Ummah's deteriorated, and as we know, Allah promises the nation that strays from the path that He will make the worst of them their leaders. Still, I do believe openly criticizing a vast majority of the group might offend them greatly, specially when there maybe more polite ways of correcting them, if you believed they needed correction. THAT, I believed, was the unislamic part, but not a huge calamity either.

For those who got a little derogatory, c'mon, dudes we're all adults here. Have some tact and patience please. None of us know who is, or isn't praying fajr, unless we choose to tell someone, which we shouldn't anyway. I didn't want this to become a slinging match. Hidaya isn't the forum for that.

And lastly I'd like to apologize to Oh.Schick for having this snowball into something I exactly wanted to avoid. Maybe I shouldn't have posted that comment and should've sent an email to Talal to send to you. So, while I stand firm on my point, I'm sorry my point was misconstrued by some and Oh. Schick took the brunt of it.


Posted by: silent no more at November 7, 2003 11:31 AM

To brother ayan,
I would love to talk to you in person, which I will try to do, but the reason the writers at hidaya chose to remain anonymous is b/c we want it to be a forum for thought and expressing ideas, not for personal attacks and mudslinging which it could have easily turned into. As for assuming, I think i'm just trying to avoid underestimating the obvious. I choose not to remain nieve. Even if they do pray, the point I was making is that as a majority, we are not doing what we are supposed to. Thinking otherwise is foolish and nieve.

To talib ul'ilm
There are two ayahs, there is one in Zumar too. They end a little different. I disagree with the point that Falasteen is a land conflict and not a religious conflict. The discussion I guess warrants another article maybe.

To silent no more
I hope the snowball stops here and we all renew our intentions to be contributing to the site with only the intention of seeking Allah's Face (Azza wa jall). It obviously shouldn't turn personal, but the passion should stay.

As for specific examples from the Tabieen, such as Hasan Al-Basri and Ibn Sireen, who clearly spoke out against gatherings like these to protest and to rebel against the ruler, I will try to put together another article on it inshallah.
As for the rally-goers perceptions. They are close to insignificant. Nobody is doubting their intentions but the correctness of their actions and accordance to the Sunnah and the way of the Salaf. People who worship idols or any other unacceptable thing, also have perceptions of why their actions are acceptable. So their perceptions are not to be looked at in this context.

As for the issue of being nice, my dear brother/sister, from the definitions of Hukm as our scholars have defined it is to be harsh when harshness is required and soft when softness is required. Look at the methodology of all the Prophets in calling to Allah, they were not polite all the time.
As for the fajr issue, the levels at any masjid around the world are shocking and quite frankly depressing. Prayer in congregation is a major thing. How can the Ummah unite if we can't sacrifice to come pray together.

As for taking anything personal or being offended, dont' worry about it.

"I don't ask you of any reward, verily the reward is with the lord of the worlds"

Posted by: Oh. Schick at November 7, 2003 12:22 PM

Thats rubbish, mudslinging is not prevented by hiding behind foolish names, it is prevented by having adab, and this is a good place as any to learn. Ayan is right, stop hiding behind these psuedo names, be a man about what you feel and why (just have adab). We'll all know who's who anyway.
Second, brothers and sister can pray 5 times a day and go to rallies and portray themselves in a halal manner. U'r issue that u bring to light is that their are people that have bad adab at these places, which is true, that can't be denied, but how affective their chants are is for Allah's judgement not ours.

Posted by: Wajahat Gilani at November 7, 2003 06:04 PM

Assalam-u-alaikum Br.Wajahat
Very sad indeed. "Stop hiding behind these pseudonyms,be a man about what you feel". I do not think that as a Muslim, you should resort to attacking your brother's integrity in such a rash manner. There are girls here as well who are using pseudonyms, and the only reason they have these pen names is that readers pay attention to the content of the article, rather than the writers who wrote them. Does not look like it is working though, but thank you for your co-operation in not making it easy for them.
Besides, Oh.Shick's article is general but the attacks against him are quite personal. Use your sense of judgement and try to make it even atleast,if nothing else. Earn some Sawab, and that too in Ramadan, by encouraging him to write more for the site rather than discouraging him. And remember that the true man is one who controls his anger and keeps his calm.
May Allah fulfil the purpose this site was made for and give all of us Hidaya, Ameen.

Posted by: Nadia at November 7, 2003 07:32 PM

As-salamu 'Alaikum,

Suppose that I wrote this article...now what! Does it change anything...
Listen to what is said , not who speaks
May Allah grant us Hidaya -(lets make this duaa' when ever we post something :)

Posted by: Tanweer at November 7, 2003 08:00 PM

assalamu 'alaikum,

about anonymity,

one added benefit is that no one will be walking up to oh schick and criticizing him in the middle of an iftar. face-to-face debates are useless. however, when using this platform, people will [ideally, insha'allah] look over what they've written and think before the post.

about rallying,

rubbing up against some lesbian from Queers for Palestine in a rally - and i don't have the years of scholarship that people require to say this, but i'll hunt down a scholar who will agree with me - is not islamically permissible. rallying cannot possibly be an effective way to free our lands because we measure efficacy by attempting to measure whether or not allah (swt) will approve of it. wallahu 'alam

may allah (swt) grant us hidaya

Posted by: Gillette at November 7, 2003 08:33 PM

Alhamdulilah. This was a great article. It really made me think, I mean were losing our objective. Our objective is to please Allah! Remember? How can we please Allah? By simply doing what he commanded us to do, like the basic things like praying in Fajr congregation. We will not please Allah by doing things that necessarily please us like going to rallys, not to say we shouldnt have rallys at all and we should only pray in the masjid and not be active. Just the fact that we have to put our priorities in order. Once we start doing the basic things then we can start having rallys in accordance to the Quraan and Sunnah and not begging Jews and Christians to set up these rallies and asking them to send their half naked girls to these rallies.A good muslim doesnt take jews and christians as friends and protector remember! Good job Shick you really made me think.

Posted by: Trying at November 8, 2003 12:19 AM

Okay the focus of the piece is shifting from what was written in the article to the pen names of those who have 'something to say'. Let's discuss what is being said rather than whom it is being said by. Also make dua that another article is put up soon, one that also ignites the flame of intellectual discussion and conciousness:) Masalaama

Posted by: Sana K at November 8, 2003 04:46 PM


Sister Nadia, u'r comments were quite insulting and unfounded, but i don't like to conflict with sisters so i'll let it be.
1) I agree with the article, i disagree with its harshness because it will offend undeducated muslims and i'm not defending the author because everyone on the post agreed with his article (minus one), just not with his assumptions.

2) I'm not trying to make things hard for anyone I like the site and we pretty much know who wrote what article.

3) I was using my "man comment" for humor not to attack the author.


I really don't know what your were implying with "Suppose that I wrote this article...now what!" comment, but I know its not what a comman man on the street would think it meant, u'r prolly fooling around like my man comment.

But come to Busch Student Center this Thursday night around 9:40-10:00 p.m., tarawee should be done, and I'll leave class a little early and we'll talk.

Finally, I talked to Sidi Waleed about this today, and he said its not haraam, but he is not comfortable with this and didn't agree with it. He said this is not from our tradition, when nasihah or knowledge is related you always use your name and not psuedonames. If any the brothers from the site want more details join tanweer and me this thursday night around 9:40-10:00 at the Busch Student center.

Wajahat Gilani

Posted by: Wajahat Gilani at November 8, 2003 08:56 PM

Actually, all this feature of this website allows is for people to post messages while hiding behind fake names. If you believe in what you say then you should attach your name to it. And honestly, why must people feel threatened and result to calling others out when people just state their opinion. Everyone is allowed an opinion and should not be attacked because of it. Is it beyond us to have a conversaion without feeling that we are being attacked? In the past something like this was not down at Rutgers.

Posted by: Sheraz at November 9, 2003 01:02 AM

Assalamu 'Alaikum,

The author prefers anonymity, so I suggest, for those who know who he is, to not go off and tell those who don't know.

to wajahat,

this is probably better discussed with waleed, but isn't it better to do a good deed anonymously, included giving nasihah?

Posted by: GIllette at November 9, 2003 01:05 PM


If I am advocating against personal attacks, then it would be futile that I prove my argument by attacking someone else personally. That was not my intent, and if I did so unintentionally, I apologize. As for your comment about "not conflicting with the sisters", you should not conflict, period, be it brothers or sisters. But if you do not conflict with girls, just because they are girls, then I would recommend that you should interact with girls as long as you do so on a cognitive level, and remain respectful of them (which I am sure you do). If a sister is, say, in the wrong, and you let it go just because she is a sister, then it would not be fair for you or her.
Jazakallah khair, and as Br.Oh Shick has already ended the argument, I would not like to further it. Again, I am sorry if my comments are inappropriate. May Allah give all of us Hidaya, Ameen.

Posted by: Nadia at November 9, 2003 02:34 PM

Assalaamu alaikum,

JazaakAllah khair to Brother Ali to put an end to what was fast spiraling into the realm of absurdity. I hope readers aren't discouraged from the unfortunate comments posted here. If you have something to say, that has NOTHING to do with the column, then email your thoughts to info@hidayaonline.com, and do your best to not detract from the useful discussion.
It's not about having a different opinion; the expression of other viewpoints is among the central purposes of this commenting feature.
Masha'Allah, there's too much good being said by the writers on Hidaya, to let this one tiny little exchange cast a dark cloud on the site.

I do sincerely pray that Allah(swt) helps us fulfill the purpose of this site, and grants us all Hidaya. Ameen.

wa alaikum as salaam,
Editor-in-Chief, Hidaya

Posted by: Talal at November 9, 2003 05:54 PM

Oh. Schick = Ali Bin Masood Bin Asghar Farooki

I just want to apologize for my last comment especially to Wajahat. I regret not handling the situation in a better way. As for the last post, I deleted it in the hopes of trying to fix the wrong. I think it would benefit everyone if they thought more about what they write before they write it. So if anybody was offended, I ask them to please forgive me.

Allahuma innaka 'afuuwun kareemun tuhibul 'afwaa fa 'afwa 'annaa.

May Allah give us all Hidaya.

"Except for those who repent mend (their life) hold fast to Allah and purify their religion as in Allah's sight: if so they will be (numbered) with the believers. And soon will Allah grant to the believers a reward of immense value." [Surat An-Nisaa' 4:146]

"But those who do wrong but repent thereafter and (truly) believe verily Thy Lord is thereafter Oft-Forgiving Most Merciful." [Sura Al-A'raaf 7:153]

"Unless they repent thereafter and mend (their conduct): for Allah is Oft-Forgiving Most Merciful." [Sura An-Nur 24:5]

"But without doubt I am (also) He that forgives again and again to those who repent believe and do right who in fine are ready to receive true guidance." [Sura Ta-ha 20:82]

Posted by: Oh. Schick aka Ali Bin Masood Bin Asghar Farooki aka Poppa Smurf aka MC Jerbil aka Big Al at November 10, 2003 01:30 PM