Why are the top ones all sects/ideologies, yet the bottom one is an ethnicity/race?
S@!@@MZon June 15, 2005 5:45 PM
I think it is addressing the racism present in our communities, I think.
on June 15, 2005 6:01 PM
good point brother.
ONCE YOU GO BLACK
YOU NEVER GO BACK
DEAL IT WITH. I cant stand the racism. I think we should all marry interacially...it will bridge gaps and help egyptians fry chicken better
salaamzon June 15, 2005 6:21 PM
how true how trueon June 15, 2005 8:51 PM
I agree as well. But interracial marriages will take time.....perhaps our kids.on June 15, 2005 9:14 PM
Maybe we need to have an MSA/ISRU event on African-American-Muslim heritage to encourage more racial integration in the organization? I remember when Imam Zaid came to MCMC around a year and a half back and talked on that topic...totally amazing and eye-opening. African Muslim slaves were some of the first to bring Islam to this country and many fought to hold on to it despite western oppression. There are soo many courageous stories that the muslim world lies unaware of because it sadly doesnt see them as its own...on June 15, 2005 11:35 PM
btw, I WISH that our organizations were even as integrated as the first frame suggests, but realistically speaking, do we REALLY have that many diff. viewpoints in our University Islamic Organizations? Usually what seems to be the unspoken rule of all organizations is that the viewpoints of the leadership
(who are usually friends) are what are encouraged and expressed via selection of topics/speakers/events/book sales/etc... It becomes quickly apparent what views the organization is pushing and that leads people of other viewpoints to feel alienated and estranged and causes them to desert the organization...
Thats just the basic rule of organizational dynamics. You see it in just about every organization. Though its great and a leap forward for the views that are being pushed, it doesnt do much in terms of encouraging universal muslim unity.on June 15, 2005 11:45 PM
I think part of Gillette's point is that when an UIO actually tries to unite its community in an effort to rid the dynamic cited above by Sr. Justoju, it is done along sectratian lines, with the african-american Muslim community never factored in.on June 16, 2005 1:10 AM
Second only to Hillel, ISRU is the most active and visible student organization on campus and people want in on the action.
I doubt that the Shia organization on campus would oblige the request of a salafi to have Majdi Warda as a speaker if it were to become as successful and prominent as ISRU.
However, in an effort to "unite", UIOs are bending over backward to accommodate shi'a speakers and in the process is alienating sincere Muslims such as black Muslims. The call for unity is a façade for the desire for prominence. It is misguidance shrouded in righteousness.
Why are you accomodating people who feel nothing but contempt for you? If they were in your place they would never accomodate you, why are you accomodating them? What benefit will unity be if we are united on misguidance?
PS. Hassan I need an Aqidah book. Can we meet somewhere?on June 16, 2005 10:18 AM
"in an effort to "unite", UIOs are bending over backward to accommodate shia speakers and in the process is alienating sincere Muslims such as black Muslims"
I am not too ecstatic about sunni-shia partnerships due to the fact that the vast majority of muslims for the past 1400 years have considered shias to be outside the fold of ahlus sunnah wal jamaah (while despite the differences in opinion between sunnis, they are all still part of ASwJ)...but if we took shias out of the equation and left only the other groups, why would what you are mentioning happen if the topics chosen were those that covered common ground?on June 16, 2005 12:34 PM
"I am not too ecstatic about sunni-shia partnerships due to the fact that the vast majority of muslims for the past 1400 years have considered shias to be outside the fold of ahlus sunnah wal jamaah (while despite the differences in opinion between sunnis, they are all still part of ASwJ)"
"Note: The message of this comic lies in the second frame, not the first one. Please don't make the comment thread an outlet for a sectarian war to end all sectarian conflict."
"Second only to Hillel..."
More like second to none. MashaAllah walhamdulillah.on June 16, 2005 2:28 PM
"Why are you accomodating people who feel nothing but contempt for you? If they were in your place they would never accomodate you, why are you accomodating them? What benefit will unity be if we are united on misguidance?"
I love you Faisal! People who call for unity of all islamic sects are so wrong. I mean with that logic, why not unite all religions, or at least the ones that believe in God?on June 16, 2005 4:31 PM
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"People who call for unity of all islamic sects are so wrong. I mean with that logic, why not unite all religions, or at least the ones that believe in God?"
Just keep in mind that there is a difference between sect and school of thought. A sect says that 'I am Muslim and am the sunnah and you are not' while a school of thought says 'I am Muslim and the sunnah but so are you'. You can unite schools of thought (which is what I am assuming the UIO attempts to do) but you cant unite sects without having to deal with a whole mess-load of complications and compromising on authentic transmission.
No one is talking about uniting all religions (unless its under the banner of Islam).on June 16, 2005 6:36 PM
Why is the sufi the skinniest one? Is his zuhd not to overeat the strongest of the group? In that case, according to the intricate details of the drawing, his affiliation seems to be the most effective. Don't ask me, this is my objective analysis of the drawing.on June 17, 2005 12:48 AM
The African-American seems to have eaten a couple of the other groups.
He would make a good ISRU bounceron June 17, 2005 2:32 AM
can someone define 'sufi' for me? I was asking a friend and neither one of us could come up with a definition.on June 17, 2005 3:42 AM
Assalaamu Alaikum All:
May your days be brighten and your nights be peaceful!
J U M M A H - M U B A R I Kon June 17, 2005 9:22 AM
Gillete and I had a discussion over the phone. We agree that this thread is losing its intended purpose of discussing the second frame. So please, no more discussion on sects. Gillete will delet them.
PS. I apologize for starting it. Hassan you can delete my earlier comment if you want.on June 17, 2005 9:37 AM
i just wanted to personally confirm my intention to take down comments based on the "first frame issues."
i'll write a more exhaustive commentary later, but this very back and forth is another attempt by arabs and desis to further ignore the african-american muslim community - who make up a VERY SIGNIFICANT PORTION of the american muslim community - by refusing to even acknowledge their own racism.
i certainly hope i'm wrong.on June 17, 2005 9:44 PM
I know political correctness isn't "fard" in every circumstance, but please, just bear in mind that many people of varying degrees of religiosity and various opinions on Islam read this site and post here. That said, even if you, for whatever reason, think that you hold a "better" opinion, you will shut people's ears the moment you post something that another will find deeply hurtful or offensive to their own. This in turn does injustice to them as well as to your own writing. As is clear, Br. Hassan's piece was intended to open eyes to the fact that we do often overlook the African-American Muslim community, which is true, and while we will all work to make changes in that Inshaa Allah, what is the benefit in trying to reduce the offense on one group by bringing forth offense on another? Do you find that this raises your Eman? Will these statements take you higher in Jannah? Or do they simply reassure you that you are "correct" and that those around you are beneath your level? Please, let's recheck our intentions and plead with Allah (SWT) to shy us away from the tricks of Ash-Shaytan. The day that a man becomes so sure of his mind is perhaps the day that he should realize how quickly Allah (SWT) can take away everything he thinks he has mastered so perfectly, including his own Deen.
I ask only that you continue to remember that Hidaya carries the name of ISRU and that such is an 'Amana, a trust, so please be responsible and wise with regard to keeping that trust and please think on the broader spectrum when you post here in the future. Jazakum Allahu Khayr.
On a side note, I have already had a conversation with Br. Talal and Br. Hassan and we are in mutual agreement on this Walhamdulilah. Above all, Allah (SWT) knows best.
Wassalam Alaykum Wa Rahmat Allah.
-Br. Sami Elmansouryon June 17, 2005 10:52 PM
thank you for the posts to both brothers, walhamdulillaah.on June 17, 2005 11:47 PM
i agree with sami.
also, i think the cartoon reflects the subjective perception of the author, and is not reflective of an absulute truth... although it may be true on many campuses - and even more true on a local masjid level. but again, it isn't necessarily true and i do find that the more people are into the deen - the less they are conscious of race. the opposite holds true as well. in my experience, it has usually been those culturally affiliated with islam (often self-described as "secular" or "progressive") who tend to show the most egregious forms of racism, yet believe themselves to be model muslims.on June 18, 2005 7:57 PM
Asalaam Aleikum Warahmatullah Wabarakatu,
Does this actually go on at the university age? I would think this was more a problem of the older generation who grew up in completely homogenous societies and never had any exposure to outside cultures. Does this actually go on in ISRU? I recall seeing some afro-American brothers and sisters at the meetings, not including bro. Ibrahim whom everyone is down with.
PLease explain some more.
Jazzakum Allah Kull Khairon June 20, 2005 12:01 AM
Racism is so unIslamic. We are all sons and daughters of Adam, so black people, and white people are our brothers. So lets give racism the back door, coz its such a Hindu caste thing (thats rite).
lets Go Pistons!!
JazakAllahKhairon June 22, 2005 6:22 AM