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August 19, 2006
Beyond Outside

by AlBushra


Beyond the kufi, beyond the beard, beyond the hijab beyond the jelbab ----Lies
Someone inside...the self that we hide...the place where we truly reside.
Here are the Inner thoughts, the deep emotions, the evil temptations
The dark call
Whispers and betraying thoughts are heard, actions absurd
leading to our fall.
Roses are red, but so is blood. The blood in our bodies rushing like a flood.
Violets are blue, but so is the sky. The sky so high, where the birds soar and fly.
Sugar is sweet, but so is Iman. Sweetness of faith to taste for those who can.
And so, are you ? But you lie---your reality inside of the bitter self, you hide.
Your belief is brittle, your deen is not a riddle, yet you play your life as a fiddle
Your likeness is of defeat, you need to stand on your feet,
and truly PREPARE for the ONE you shall meet…

of and relating to...
abupepper said

salaam:

Ukhti/Akhi AlBushra...

Masha'Allah, good job...

Your submission is short yet flows well to punctuate the point.

I also liked the title...Beyond Outside...is the inner self, our nafs...very deep.

Well, I hope to read more of your submissions, insha'Allah.

Jazakum'Allah Khairan...and may Allah Bless you and shower HIS Mercy on you...Ameen

Ma'Assalaama

on August 21, 2006 9:58 AM
gillette said

Will you be naming your kid "Pepper"? Is "Pepper" a transliteration of an Urdu or Urdu-based name?

on August 22, 2006 8:47 PM
abupepper said

Salaam:

Will you be naming your kid "Pepper"? Is "Pepper" a transliteration of an Urdu or Urdu-based name?

Hahahaha...No my kid is Pepper...thats why I call myself abupepper...my other kid is Chili...but since she is female so I have taken my kunya after my male kid...(they are both cats, if you must know).

When I do have normal kids afterm my marriage, then their name will be normal muslim names, insha'Allah.

Ma'Assalaama

on August 23, 2006 1:20 AM
UmmNobody said

nice poem

and nice comment Abu Pepper.

Cats are always nice, alhamdulillaah.
And yeah, i also did not read your comments yet.

And Brother Hassan, I might write a decent article in a bit maybe you can post the future article instead of the one that you already have.

Wsalaamu Alaikum

on August 23, 2006 11:59 AM
gillette said

"No sooner had bombing stopped last week than Hezbollah bulldozers were busy clearing rubble, and Hezbollah social workers resettling refugees. Perhaps Bush should ask Hezbollah to take over rebuilding New Orleans."

http://torsun.canoe.ca/News/Columnists/Margolis_Eric/2006/08/20/1766266-sun.html

on August 23, 2006 3:55 PM
Dark Matter & The Ghayb said

I deleted the comments, the gist of which was that the Dark Matter in outer space is part of the Unseen (Ghayb) that Allah (Ta'ala) mentions in the Qur'an. However, the knowledge of the Ghayb is exclusive to Allah (Ta'ala).

In his explanation of Suratul Baqarah, Verse 3, Ibn Katheer says that, "Those who have faith in the Ghayb" refers to those who believe in Allah, the Angels, Books, Messengers, the Last Day, Paradise, Fire, and the meeting of Him.

Also, Allah (Ta'ala) says,

"This is of the news of the Ghayb which We reveal unto you [O Muhammad], neither you nor your people knew them before this. So be patient. Surely, the [good] end is for the people of taqwa (Hud 11:49)"

Additionally, Allah (Ta'ala) says,

"Say [O Muhammad]: 'I know not whether what you've been promised is near or whether my Lord will appoint for it a distant term. [He is] the All-Knower of the Ghayb, and He reveals to none His Ghayb, except to a Messenger whom He has chosen, and then He makes a band of watching guards [angels] to march before him and behind him...'" (Al-Jinn 72:27)

This is proof that the Ghayb can only be known by revelation. So if, and since, it is possible for whatever dark matter was mentioned to actually be seen, either now, or some years down the line, it couldn't be part of the Ghayb.

Allaahu 'Alam.

gillette.

on August 23, 2006 4:50 PM
abupepper said

Salaam:

Jazakum Allah Khairan for your comments...I am glad you ended with Allaahu'Alam...Alhamdulillah.

I am completely in agreement that the knowledge of Ghayb is exclusively with ALLAH, and HE gives it to those whom HE wishes (namely the prophets Alay-hes-salaatu-Wasaalaam)....Alhamdulillah.

So, if I were to assume your point is correct, then that would imply that if human being can come to a scientific proof of something that exists or how it functions than it is not a knowledge of Ghaib...because it is out there, and sooner or later it will be discovered by humans.....So would that mean, if after numerous attempts and experiments we humans cannot still define, discover, or explain a thing or phenomenon then it is part of the Ghaib?

I am not sure about this implicating conclusion...but Allahu Aaalim.

But for our limited scope of discussion...lets remove the word "Ghaib" out of this altogether...I shouldn't have used it anyways, my main reason for using the word was to identify something that is hidden vs something that is obvious...Ghaib, as understood (theologically) that you mentioned is a different topic altogether.

But coming back to Space and Astronomy...I love this stuff...do you guys know that the Mathematicians and Scientist have come to the understanding that the overall shape of Space or Universe is not a sphere, nor a curve, but rather FLAT...meaning if the known universe as we know is FLAT, then this makes perfect sense that there can be another FLAT universe on top of ours and so on till there are 7 Universe/Heavens...but it is out there to be discovered.

41:12 And He [it is who] decreed that they become seven heavens [14] in two aeons, and imparted unto each heaven its function. And We adorned the skies nearest to the earth with lights, and made them secure: [15] such is the ordaining of the Almighty, the All-Knowing.

65:12 GOD is He who has created seven heavens, [18] and, like them, [the many aspects] of the earth. Through all of them flows down from on high, unceasingly, His [creative] will, [19] so that you might come to know that God has the power to will anything, and that God encompasses all things with His knowledge.

67:3 He who has created seven heavens in full harmony with one another: [2] no fault will thou see in the creation of the Most Gracious. And turn thy vision [upon it] once more: canst thou see any flaw?

71:15 "'Do you not see how God has created seven heavens in full harmony with one another, [8]

So as you can see from the last 2 ayats, ALLAH is asking HIS servants to look and confirm if we can find any flaws in the way that 7 heavens exist together...Subhan'Allah...Only ALLAH is the PERFECT CREATOR.

I hope we human's can find this harmony between the seven heaven (or atleast a glimpse of an understanding of it)...hopefully in my life time...Insha'Allah.

Lastly, it is my faintest of hunch (based on current information) that Black-holes are gateways to the other universe/heavens...meaning the doors to other heavens...as mentioned in the hadith of Israa & Mairaaj during the ascension of Rasul Allah sal-lal-la-hu-wa-sal-lam through the seven heavens and above).

Allahu Aalim...

Ma'Assalaama


P.S.
Br. Gillette, you can also delete this comment if you so wish...I am so glad I dont keep a record of anything that I type on Hidayaonline.

on August 23, 2006 6:20 PM
gillette said

I'm annoyed by editing comments, so I'll just respond to what I regard to be some questionable points.

1) The seven heavens, in the Qur'an and Sunnah, are the heavens which are the reward for the believers, in which Allah (Ta'ala) descends (in a manner that befits His Majesty), the ones through which the Prophet (sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam) travelled during his ascension. The very fact that we can take a spaceship into outer space means that outer space is not heaven of the religion.

2) About the black hole thing...uhh...it exists within the realm of possibility for someone to travel to the black hole, which runs contrary to the fact that it's a "gate to heaven," because there's only one known way to enter heaven - bi idhnillaah.

allahu 'alam.

gillette.

on August 23, 2006 6:59 PM
gillette said

Please don't travel to the black hole. If light can't escape, we probably can't.

on August 23, 2006 7:00 PM
abupepper said

Salaam:

Br. Gillette...I love you Man!!!

Thank you for being who you are...hehehehe

" 1) The seven heavens, in the Qur'an and Sunnah, are the heavens which are the reward for the believers, in which Allah (Ta'ala) descends (in a manner that befits His Majesty), the ones through which the Prophet (sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam) travelled during his ascension. The very fact that we can take a spaceship into outer space means that outer space is not heaven of the religion."


So if that is the correct understanding, then it would mean that our heaven/or space with all stars and galaxies is not part of 7 heaven which Allah mentioned in Quraan...Hmmm...this is peculiar.


Also, if I read this Ayat it implies that the "Jannah or Garden" is as big as the combined 7 Heavens...but not necessarily the same...perhaps its the wording that is throwing me off.

3:133 Be quick in the race for forgiveness from your Lord, and for a Garden whose width is that (of the whole) of the heavens and of the earth, prepared for the righteous,-

Allahu Aaalim

Anyways...Your rebuttal has prompted me to ponder more on the Ayaat and Hadeeth as far as seven heavens are concerned...which is great!

Do you (or anyone else) know of a source or link on classical work on the formation of universe by Muslim scholars, that deals with these ayats and hadeeths?

I will really appreciate this.

Ma'Assalaama

on August 23, 2006 8:59 PM
gillette said

Ibn Kathir said about Aali Imran, 3:133

"It was reported that the meaning of Allah's statement, 'as wide as the heavens and the earth' draws the attention to the spaciousness of Paradise.

"For instance, Allah said in another ayah, while describing the couches of Paradise, 'lined with silk brocade' so what about their outer covering?

"It was also said that Paradise is as wide as its length because it is a dome under the Throne. The width and length of a dome or a circle are the same in distance. This is supported by what is found in the Sahih [of al-Bukhari]:

"'When you ask Allah for Paradise, ask Him for al-Firdaws which is the highest and best part of Paradise. From it originate the rivers of Paradise, and above it is the Throne of Ar-Rahman.'

"This ayah [3:133] is similar to Allah's statement in Surat al-Hadid, 'Race with one another in hastening towards forgiveness with your Lord, and Paradise the width whereof is as the width of the heaven and the Earth' (57:21)."

This is all I can quote for now. I haven't researched this issue.

But we're not in Paradise, we can't see Paradise, and we never will until we go there, bi idhnillah. This is what I know.

Allaahu 'Alam.

on August 23, 2006 10:07 PM
gillette said

Ibn Baaz differentiated between the heavens (as-samawaat) and Paradise (al-Jannah). You can scroll down to the part I capitalized.

“As for those who are wretched, they will be in the Fire, sighing in a high and low tone.
They will dwell therein for all the time that the heavens and the earth endure, except as your Lord wills. Verily, your Lord is the Doer of whatsoever He intends (or wills).
And those who are blessed, they will be in Paradise, abiding therein for all the time that the heavens and the earth endure, except as your Lord wills: a gift without an end.”
[Hood 11:106-108]

Shaykh Ibn Baaz (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

These verses have not been abrogated, rather they are clear. The scholars differed as to the meaning of the phrase “except as your Lord wills”, but they are agreed that the delight of the people of Paradise will be everlasting and eternal; it will never cease or come to an end, and they will never be expelled from it. Hence after that Allaah says, “a gift without an end”, to refute what some people may imagine, that some may be expelled from Paradise. For they will abide therein forever and this gift is without an end, i.e., it will never cease. In other verses this meaning is explained further. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Truly, the Muttaqoon (the pious) will be amidst Gardens and water‑springs (Paradise).

(It will be said to them): ‘Enter therein (Paradise), in peace and security’”

[al-Hijr 15:46]

Allaah states that they will be secure – safe from death, safe from expulsion, safe from sickness, grief and all kinds of hardship. Then Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And We shall remove from their hearts any deep feeling of bitterness (that they may have). (So they will be like) brothers facing each other on thrones.

No sense of fatigue shall touch them, nor shall they (ever) be asked to leave it”

[al-Hijr 15:47-48]

So Allaah states that they will abide therein forever and will never be expelled from it.

And Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Verily, the Muttaqoon (the pious), will be in place of Security (Paradise)

Among Gardens and Springs,

Dressed in fine silk and (also) in thick silk, facing each other,

So (it will be). And We shall marry them to Hoor (fair females) with wide lovely eyes.

They will call therein for every kind of fruit in peace and security;

They will never taste death therein except the first death (of this world), and He will save them from the torment of the blazing Fire,

As a bounty from your Lord! That will be the supreme success!”

[al-Dukhaan 44:51-57]

So Allaah tells us that the people of Paradise will be in a place of security where they will never be exposed to fear and where the blessing will never be taken away from them. They will also be safe, and they will not face the danger of death, sickness, expulsion, grief or any other hardship, and they will never die. What this means is that the people of Paradise will abide therein forever, for eternity.

Some of the scholars said that the phrase “except as your Lord wills” refers to the extent of their stay in the grave, for the believer will be in one of its gardens and delights. But that is not Paradise itself, rather it is a part of Paradise, for a door will be opened from Paradise for the believer in his grave, and some of its fragrance, goodness and blessings will reach him. THEN AFTER THAT HE WILL BE TRANSFERRED TO PARADISE WHICH IS HIGH ABOVE THE HEAVENS.

Some of the scholars said that what is meant by the words “except as your Lord wills” is the length of their standing in the place of resurrection, for the Reckoning and the reward or punishment, after they have been brought forth from their graves; then after that they will go to Paradise. And some of the scholars said that the meaning includes both things, the time that they spend in their graves and the time that they spend in the place of standing (on the Day of Judgement), and their passage across the Siraat. During all of these times they are not in Paradise, but they will move from these places to Paradise.

The phrase “except as your Lord wills” means, except for the time spent in the grave, and except for the time when they stand on the Day of Judgement, and except for the time spent crossing al-Siraat, because at those times they will not be in Paradise, but they will be moving towards it. Hence we know that the matter is clear and there is nothing unclear or doubtful in it, praise be to Allaah.

The people of Paradise will be blessed therein and will abide therein forever. There will be no death, no sickness, no expulsion, no hardship, no grief, no menstruation, no nifaas (post-partum bleeding), no kind of hurt forever, rather they will be in everlasting delight and goodness.

Similarly, the people of Hell will abide in it forever; they will not exit it and it will not be destroyed. Rather it will abide and they will abide therein. It was said that the phrase “except as your Lord wills” refers to the time they will spend in their graves, or the time they will spend standing on the Day of Resurrection, as mentioned above concerning the people of Paradise. After that they will be driven to Hell, where they will abide for eternity. We ask Allaah to keep us safe from that. Allaah says in Soorat al-Baqarah (interpretation of the meaning):

“Thus Allaah will show them their deeds as regrets for them. And they will never get out of the Fire”

[al-Baqarah 2:167]

And Allaah says concerning the kaafirs in Soorat al-Maa'idah (interpretation of the meaning):

“They will long to get out of the Fire, but never will they get out therefrom; and theirs will be a lasting torment”

[al-Maa’idah 5:37]

Some of the salaf said that the Fire would come to an end after thousands of years and many ages have passed, and that they would die or be brought forth from it. But this view does not count for anything according to the majority of Ahl al-Sunnah wa’l-Jamaa’ah, rather it is false and is refuted by a great deal of evidence from the Qur’aan and Sunnah, as stated above. The view of Ahl al-Sunnah wa'l-Jamaa'ah is that Hell will abide for eternity and that its people will never come forth from it, and that it will never be destroyed, rather it will remain forever, according to the apparent meaning of the Qur’aan and of the Sunnah as proven from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). The evidence for that, apart from what has been mentioned above, is that Allaah says concerning the Fire (interpretation of the meaning):

“whenever it abates, We shall increase for them the fierceness of the Fire”

[al-Isra’ 17:97]

And Allaah says in Soorat al-Naba’, addressing the people of Hell (interpretation of the meaning):

“So taste you (the results of your evil actions). No increase shall We give you, except in torment”

[al-Naba’ 78:30]

We ask Allaah to keep us safe and sound from that and becoming among its people.

See Majmoo’ Fataawa al-Maqaalaat al-Shaykh Ibn Baaz, vol. 4, p. 361

on August 23, 2006 10:23 PM
abupepper said

Salaam:

Alhamdulillah...for Allah is the knower of all things.

The seven Heavens or Universe are not the seven levels of Jannah....Jannah is above the seven heavens but below the Arsh of Allah...

Ok, so since we aint gonna go to Jannah till it is time, bi'idnillah...lets stick to the seven Heavens of which our world and space is also part off, insha'Allah.

And when Allah asks us to look at the seven heavens (which are in harmony with each other)and find any fault, it could imply that there will be a time when we can come to this conlusion that yes Allah has made 7 heavens on top of each other and its flawless...Allahu Aalim.

Later, I will give you guys a summary of the latest theories and ideas on Astronomy and Quantum Physics...in lay-man terms...insha'Allah.

For now this will suffice..my apologies to ALBUSHRA for hijacking her article...

Ma'Assalaama

on August 24, 2006 1:59 AM
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